Statement on the Palestinian Initiative at the United Nations


September 23, 2011 by IJV

In keeping with our support for a fair and just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Independent Jewish Voices welcomes the Palestinian initiative at the United Nations. We see it as a legitimate demand for fuller recognition on the world stage and as an affirmation of Palestinian nationhood.

At the same time it is clear that it is not an end in itself. It leaves many questions unanswered and problems unresolved – the continuing occupation, the need for free and fair elections in the West Bank and Gaza, the status of the Palestinian diaspora. Nonetheless it provides the only current opportunity to break the long-standing deadlock. We call on all parties – including the British and Israeli governments, and fellow Jews – to express their support.

on behalf of IJV Steering Group
20th September 2011

5 thoughts on “Statement on the Palestinian Initiative at the United Nations

  1. Adi says:

    Israel recognizes legitimate Palestinian aspirations. If peace is to be possible, the Palestinians have to recognize and accept legitimate Israeli aspirations, and to cease rejecting the legitimacy of Israel’s democratically chosen Jewish identity.

  2. Yes Adi, it is all the fault of the oppressed for not having recognised their oppressor.

    I do not agree with IJV’s support for the Palestinian declaration of independence. It is meaningless when not one single road block will be removed. Even worse is that it is proposed by those who run a nasty little police state in the West Bank and who are sub-contracted by Israel to provide security, as well as being trained by the US.

    We know from the Palestinian Papers that this quisling leadership in Ramallah is willing to give up virtually everything and accept all the Israeli settlements and projects ringing Jerusalem, bar one – Har Homar. Even Sheik Jarred they will accept.

    The time for 2 states has long since gone. 2 states now mean transfer of Israel’s Arab citizens. It is no resolution of the refugee problem and would simply allow one racist and one confessional state to exist, until the vastly stronger Israeli state retook what it considered to be part of Eretz Yisrael.

    At a time when Palestinians are divided IJV should be keeping its own counsel.

  3. Diasporical says:

    Exactly which ‘legitimate Palestinian aspirations’ do you see Israel as recognizing? Equal access to water? The right to freedom of movement? Equal right to housing? Equal right to land?

    You also say that Palestinians have to cease to reject ‘the legitimacy of Israel’s democratically chosen Jewish identity’. There is an assumption in this statement that when the State of Israel came into existence in 1948 the Jewish character of the state came about through a democratic election process. This was just not the way history unfolded.

  4. jgonzer says:

    Adi is not thinking through things. Tony and Diasporical, i love your comments. Israel did not ask for permission to declare a state, nor state at that time under what character. To be Jewish on a personal level is everything, it would be a difficult thing to find a truly spiritual politician in any government, anywhere. the argument of what it means to be a spiritual jew will continue into eternity i suspect, but few spiritual people find anything Talmudic in Zionism. it is inevitable that there will be peace in the land. it must be decided under what conditions. to me, i ask myself if it is too late to engage in honest conversation, without arms, without violence. i want to believe that a time will come when there is one state, democratic, respecting and helping all of it’s citizens. i know this is an ideal. that is why i want to believe it. that is ultimately the purpose of an ideal. Adi states that Israel accepts legitimate Palestinian aspirations. Who decides which aspirations of Adi are legitimate? Who decides which aspirations of Spiritual Judaism Or Zionism are legitimate? Who decides which aspirations of the Palestinian people are legitimate? In a one state solution, Israel is Palestine, Palestine is Israel, all have come together for mutual benefit. There can be no declaration of desire for mutual benefit when using a weapon. In my mind, a Russian Jew has less rights to the land of an arab farmer who has lived on that farm from the time of Abraham. Many of the people of the original Israel moved, became altered, with conversion many of today’s Jewry lack any ethnic connection to the land, we know this. We know that Jesus was of course a Jew, and many of his followers were Israelis who continued to live there until present time. What right does an Ethiopian have over that person? Are they not in fact our people with just a different religion? Is there anything spiritual in the dispossession of one people because of their faith? Can anyone, of any religion- claim to be spiritual and wish harm on another? Dear Adi, what is Jewish identity, without spirituality?


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